All sounds great but the realities....

Due to be put to sleep at 9 weeks old Peppa is now with the rescue where she will be cared for. Peppa now has a future - follow here progress here

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I am posting a daily blog about Peppa an her antics which all sounds like she is having a great time which I hope she is but the realities behind it are hard work..


As you all know Peppa has what is at this stage suspected to be Juvenile incontinence Syndrome which with her seems to be mainly when she is relaxed or asleep.

What this means is as soon as she relaxes to lie down and play either a toy, chew a chew or just chill out she starts to leak urine and as she is getting bigger we can smell it the instant it starts to happen.

When she is asleep she leaks all the time and soaks her bedding and of course it has to be washed, you cannot always make her go in her own bed for a snooze she may decide she wants to snuggle up to one of the others and so their bedding needs washing.

My dogs all have a cushion or bed with a piece of vet bed on the top, I have had to put all the cushions away as the liners/fillers are unwashable and so all the dogs are now just on vet bed apart from when puppy is crated for the night and then they can have their cushions back.

The smell believe me is awful, the puppy pads go in the dustbin and as we are on 2 weekly collections the smell in the bin is awful and so we are going to bag them and take them to the tip.

The washing machine literally never stops, the amount of soap powder used is amazing, rainy days mean the dryer goes non stop because there are the towels used to dry her, the towels for your knee in case she wants a cuddle. Baby wet wipes we seem to go through in amazing quantities as I cannot keep washing her she will be sore and so I have found a freshen up with wet wipes cleans her and makes the smell less pungent.

Just because she has this problem she cannot be treated in any way different to any other pup, it is not her fault and she does not know she is doing it, and so we wash, mop, spray, wash and wash and try to give her all the experiences you would any other puppy.

On a morning she is soaking, I never leave her overnight longer than 6 hours. We did consider getting up in the middle of the night to let her out to toilet but the problem is her bladder is empty when she wakes up and so we would be disturbing her for nothing and could get her into a pattern undesirable in the future.

My other concern is I am aware that she leaks urine all the time she is sleeping and I do not want her to become de-hydrated, she is always incredibly thirsty when she wakes up and so I have taken to leaving her a drink in her crate with her.

I am incredibly thankful it is not the middle of winter with this amount of washing :1001:

This small girl has certainly made a massive impact on our lives.

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Ky, does this condition mean what it says, in that if it's juvenile, she should grow out of it? Is there a possibility that she may not have definate physical problem like Sophie had (i,e, the urethra tube not connecting to the bladder) and may not need surgery?

What about hosing down the puppy pads with water before you put them in the bin, to dilute the smell, or would they just fall to bits?

You're brilliant with coping with this little mite - when she's older, and hopefully over this problem, you'll look back at think it was all worth it :love5: :love5:
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I agree with Marge. Can you really continue on like this Ky? Pups are almost full sized dogs within a short time and handling Peppa will become increasingly difficult.
Given that funds have been set aside via donations, would it not make sense to have further tests now? I'm no vet but it seems so unlikely that this little girl will suddenly gain full bladder control following a season, not when you have described the extent of the problem.
It doesn't seem fair on you to carry on like this; her first season may be a long way off..
Coupled with this, Peppa's disinclination to eat would also suggest issues that may need to be checked out sooner rather than later. The dehydration you describe could lead to further health problems too..
I must admit to feeling increasingly uncomfortable reading these updates when there may be treatment that could help her.
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Can I just say its not about funds we are very very grateful for all donations that goes without saying its about taking vets advice we are insisting this week on a referral but the vets say when she is strong enough she is a tiny baby it's ,Massive. Surgery
If no one had responded to her story her bills and treatment would have been met don't ever doubt that.
Ky has our complete support and trust all she does is have dogs interest at heart how many other people would offer so much ?.
Any dog coming into rescue gets what they need we never question the cost as that is what we raise funds and work for .
So more updates soon I asked ky to do a daily blog so people know what we do and why we care enough give up most of our time for the dogs.

The dogs have everything with this rescue it's why I think we've have so much support. Joanne I am offended you think we are not following vets advice
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I agree entirely with Willow. Ky is always remarkable in how she selflessly accommodates the sometimes extremely complex needs of her foster dogs. On this occasion my opinion is that Peppa needs veterinary investigations/treatment and that she needs to be with a sole carer who can devote all the time this little lady and her needs. I will donate towards veterinary treatment anyway but Ky has done everything possible for this little girl. We need to look after our fosterers as well as our needy dogs. Ky and her gang need a good night sleep . You have been fantastic Ky and I know you want to continue with your wonderful care for Peppa but you can only do so much. Sorry if this offends. I have so much admiration for the work you do and I have fostered short term on two occasions,. I am absolutely no expert so excuse me if this seems out of order.
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Glenys, I don't think anyone is being critical of you in any way whatsoever. We admire you and that is why we support you in whatever way we can according to our means. All we all want is the very best for our needy animals and their volunteer careers.
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That is what our rescue is about this pup sees the vet regularly try and let us do our job and whatever she needs she gets we will keep you informed
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Glenys, I think some of us were concerned about Ky and the realities of caring for a very needy pup. No one could ever criticise the wonderful care she has received by a truly dedicated carer and a unique Labrador rescue organisation.
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Ky is fine really and please don't worry it's why we have the blog she is a baby with a terrible start we will put her together again just like Sophie and all the others
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We are all supporting you.....you are at the front line!
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We have no doubts that this is hard work Ky, but as I type I see her little face above, she has to be worth a try. If you haven't already I would ask the vet to run a urine culture as if the smell is that bad she may have an infection. That may help with the odor at least.
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I take a deep breath before I write this.......

Ky & Glenys you are wonderful and no body doubts the great work you do, the evidence is all around us.

I have become increasing alarmed in recent days at the daily blog on Peppa pup. I can sense that Ky is under considerable strain with this little mite.

Two things worry me.....firstly the smell from her urine. This indicates an infection. If there isn't one now, there soon will be no matter what hygene precautions Ky takes. Secondly, I think for Ky's sake Peppa is worthy of more complex vetinary investigation. After all, Baby Sophie was receiving her curative treatment at Peppa's age.

There is an article in DVM360.com on "Correcting Ectopic Ureters in Juvenile Dogs" which was posted 1st May 2011 which folks may find useful & informative even if it is a bit technical.

Healing thoughts for little Peppa.

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It is a very emotive issue but Glenys and Ky will be guided by the vets/specialists opinion.

Sophie was approximately 20 weeks old when she had her surgery which even at that age was major, major surgery - her problem was that her tubing wasnt connecting her kidneys and bladder so whilst the symptoms were similar, the treatment might well be different and there was a specific x-ray visible problem so that leaving her until she wasnt a juvenile wasnt an option. Sophie wasnt receiving any curative treatment at the age that Peppa is now.

You may remember that Glenys put out an appeal for a sole fosterer for Peppa - unfortunately, no-one volunteered and as time was critical, Ky kindly came forward as she had stone floors.

Dont be under any concern - as soon as there is any recommendation to surgery/treatment - it will be done.
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No need to worry John about saying what you think Peppa will be back at Vets tommorrow and already we have said we want her reffered.
This little girl had no start in life
she was six kilos she has now gained 3 kilos she was wormy she has seen the Vet twice.
There is no quick fix to leaky puppies referring back to Sophies story it was a long haul yes we will check infection etc and people who take on these mites deserve total respect.
I had Sophie here and her urine smell was unbearable you have to experience it to know.
I had to sign a form at Rutland house to say the beautiful cheeky Sophie could be euthanised if the xrays and scan showed no hope it was the longest time ever waiting in that room Sam and I both in tears and then cheeky face came trotting back in and it was all sytems go.
Sophie had her surgery and Ian collected her and took her home and him and Carolyn nursed her back to health and she is a very happy dog now and cherished every day.

As for Ky she like all of us have some commitments we cant get out of so little Pepps went with her this week and now normality has returned whatever that is to Ky and Geoffs home. .
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We thought the blog was a good idea to allow people an insight of what was going on I had no idea people were uncomfortable with it.......... to us in rescue its real life and sadly not all happy situations.
So I will take advice on it and maybe just post updates in future.
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